i went with my daughter today to the hospital as she had to have some tests done.. .
on a shelf was a gideon bible.
it had some of their history in the front pages.
Re The above.
I have learnt that the Gideons have received the publishing rights to three English translations of the Bible: KJV, NKJV, and THE Revised Berkeley Version. All of these translations make infrequent use of the word "Jehovah" usually relying on the term "LORD" to describe the God of the OT
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i went with my daughter today to the hospital as she had to have some tests done.. .
on a shelf was a gideon bible.
it had some of their history in the front pages.
The NI Dict of the Christian Church [pg 412] says the following:
The Gideons are an association of Christian business and professional men that grew out of a meeting between one John Nicholson, and one Samuel Hill. They had occasion to meet at the Central Hotel, Biscobel, Wisconsin in 1898.
While participating in evening devotions, the two men discovered that they shared a common faith. They met again the next year, and this time were joined by one WJ Knight.
It was then that they organized an association of Christian travelling men, who called themselves the "Gideons" in recognition of the OT hero who had led a small band of Israelites to victory over the Midianites, as mentioned in the book of Judges chs 6 and 7.
From that time, the membership of the group has grown into an international community of some 42,000 people in 90 countries.
Their stated aim is to evangelize the message of Christ, and win people to him, particularly by the free distribution of Scripture. The cost for this is met by the Community, and several churches worldwide.
The programme of distribution first began in 1908 when copies of the Bible and the NT were placed without cost in certain public places such as hotels. The work spread to prisons, and to schools. They also reach hospitals, Military Institutions, and other places such as Govt buildings.
They are only involved in the distribution of Bibles and the NT. There is no "church" called the "Gideon Church"or whatever.
The last statistic I have is that by 1972 they had placed
11,000,000 Bibles, 91,000,000 NTs worldwide in 32 languages
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i am curious if anyone still calls their god jehovah.
when i think of jehovah all i can think of is what they taught me.
it was true at first i felt a much more personal and stronger relationship with god when giving him a name, however certain things they taught forced me to see him as a cold and unloving god.
The WTS often makes certain fallatious comments such as: "The name of God, Jehovah, occurs nearly 7,000 times in the Bible" [Paradise book pg 41]
The truth of the matter is that it does not. It occurs over 7,000 times IN THE OT PART of the Bible. Deceptive comments such as that found in the "Paradise" book blur the distinct fact the the Tetragrammaton is fully and irrevocably absent from the NT part of the Bible. From this Christian "Dispensation" marked by the writings of the NT we have to deal with a new set of circumstances.
This of course, does not invalidate the heritage left to us by the OT. It refers to God there by the distinctive name YHVH. The trend of modern scholarship is to regard the pronunciation of this word as "Yahweh" - the word "jehovah" now being seen as a mongrelization of the true name of the OT God.
So, when making reference to any OT quote, I find nothing wrong in using "Yahweh"
The NT however is another matter, and that is a subject for another time.
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can anyone out there scan from the first chapter of what does the bible really teach book?
it is a newer publication.
aparently on another thread, chapter one explains why questions are good to ask of your religion.
Gasp and hotdamn!!
[He says picking himself up from the floor, having fallen down like a stunned mullet]
Atlantis me lad, you have surpassed yourself !!
Devilishly clever what?
Why not run a regular segment on JWD,eventually preparing downloads of the whole book. Copyright problems you reckon?
Ta, mate
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i remember very few of the details, of when, where and exactly what took place, however a few years ago i was told the story about three elders that were walking together and the middle.
elder was struck and killed by lightning.
the other two elders went to his house to help out his wife and discovered 'apostate' material in their home.
I heard the same story as Looking glass, but the location was changed. This time it was the Missionary home in Papua New Guinea, which at that particular time was housing two Aussie sisters. Not knowing who the residents were, this robber/rapist breaks his way in. In the meantime, the girls unexpectedly arrive, and our r/r quickly hid under the bed. He was so moved by their night time prayers, that he slid out while thay were asleep and became Co material in the WTS!
Bollocks!
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I'm from Kwinana, Australia, Close enough?
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a poster is looking for an animated picture of two cats looking out the window, snow falling.. in looking i found some funny pictures.
do you have a favorite to share?.
2) a sharp knife, 3) a large lime, 4) a patient cat, 5) too much tequila, 6) and it's football season?.
Well I'll be darned, Candidily nuts! Are you sure you havent got a pic of my Moggy? Those green eyes - what mystery do they hide, I often wondered.
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Moggy and her first mate
not that the jdubs have the 'accurate knowledge' anyway.
but it seems to me that if i was the creator i would appreciate all who showed appreciation in song and word, no matter the level of accuracy.
just what the hell does that have to do with praising god when you think of it?.
I hate to appear severly critical of the WT Movement since it can give their followers the impression that the people who review their doctrines are unnnessarily ''splitting hairs'' - but the expression "accurate knowledge" is a legacy of Fred Franz, once defined as the "oracle" of the WTS, and the chief architect of their New World "Translation" of the Bible.
Franz saw a difference between two Greek nouns in the NT: Ginosis and Epiginosis. As can be seen, the only difference between the two is that the second word has a prefix "epi" which in Greek is a preposition. To Freddy, the first simply meant "knowledge" per se, but the second was "Knowledge" with an intesifying prefix, hence a kind of intensive knowledge defined by its "accuracy" Since he perceived himself to be the final repository of all accurate "truth" regarding the Bible, Franz decided to "translate" epiginosis as "AK" in such crucial places as Eph 1:17. The implication was clear: Only in the bowels of the secretive WT movement can one find such Accuracy in Bible knowledge, all of course courtesy of Franz himself.
In fact the majority of scholars with far humbler pretensions, disageed with Franz. Most Lexicons today either will acknowledge that there is no significant shift in emphasis between the two words, [they often cite the Greek Sept translation of the OT which clearly shows that the Greeks themselves saw no difference. At Hosea 4:1 for instance, the word "epiginosis" is used and the WT "translation" has "knowledge"] or they may feel that if there is such a subtle shift then the emphasis is more on "completeness" rather than on "accuracy" It is clear from the context of Eph 1:17, cited above, for instance, that Paul's concern was that the Ephesians may get the "complete'' picture of the Christian message, since the picture already given to them by other evangelists before him was indeed already accurate.
In fact in the "Ad book, pg 1013, ["Insight" vol 2 pg 181] the anonymous writer cites 3 seperate Bible translations to support the Franz contention that "epiginosis" should be translated "AK": The 20th Cent NT, Rothermam, and Darby. The deceitful thing is that NONE of these use the expression "AK'' they all use variations of "complete" or "full knowledge"
Franz was'nt even consistent. The word "epiginosis" occurs 20 times in the NT, and of these, the NW ''Translation" has used the expression "AK" 19 times. In one place, however, Franz had to admit that the expression simply could not fit. This was at Philemon 6, where he used "acknowledging" thus implying that his boastful emphasis on "AK" was misplaced.
If Franz made a meal of the noun "epigionsis" his "translation" of the verb, "epiginosko" was outageously inconsistent. The verb occurs 43 times and Franz "translated" the word no less than 15 seperate ways. In fact only on 5 occasions did he translate the verb with "accurate" in the rendering. [ at 1 Cor 13:12 he has "know accurately" while at Col 1:6, 1Tim 4:3, and 2Pet 2:21, twice, he reverses the infinitve and uses "accurately know"] On 4 occassions he acknowledged that the verb means "to know FULLY" because that is how he rendered Matt 11:21 twice, Lu 1:4, and Ac 22:24
The Word of God is too big an organism to be manipulated for ones own selfish advantage, and the WTS is discovering this when examiners are uncovering the deception inherent in this "Translation" and the legacy that Franz has left behind is a tattered, ruined, shambles. Truly theirs is a god that failed
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elsewhere posted this on another thread so i'm just going to copy it here.
how much of an influence are jws having over 7 billion people?
lets see, according to http://www.watchtower.org/statistics/worldwide_report.htm .
So it takes approximately 27 years for an average JW to bring someone into the org?
Oddly enough, that tallies with my own experience. In my roughly 30 yrs as a WTS follower, I brought in about 4 families with a total of 12 people. 11 left before I did. Making a grand total of :ONE!!!
And she was D/Fed some years after me for "questioning"
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i realize that randy watters is not the type of person to want to worry others, especially when it come to his own health.
and i also realize that randy might want to kick me in the backsides for posting this little message.
thats ok, i'll even buy him a new set of boots to kick me with, but for right now if we could take a few moments to send our prayers, thoughts, and perhaps ecards for randy's swift recovery, then i know that randy would certainly appreciate it .dear friends of randy, due to some complications from a pain medication randy was using during an attack of his crohn's disease last week, he became seriously dehydrated and was hospitalized this past thursday, april 13th.
Here's hoping for a speedy and complete recovery for Randy, our friend
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